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Compensation for sheriffs’ union GM rose 80 percent
September 10th, 2008, 6:00 am · 54 Comments · posted by Teri Sforza, Register staff writer
So we all know that the deputy sheriffs are in the crosshairs of a county lawsuit that seeks to rescind generous pension benefits granted in 2001.
Treading into the crossfire, The Watchdog thought it would be interesting to take a look at the most recent tax returns of the union representing said deputies - The Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs, which has about 1,800 members who are “fervently committed to public safety.” (The union is exempt from income taxes, and files returns annually with our friends at the Internal Revenue Service. The following figures are based on the three most recent returns posted on www.guidestar.org, for 2004, 2005 and 2006.)
DOLLARS FOR HEAD HONCHOS
- Compensation for the union’s officers, directors and key employees increased 74 percent over three years, from $300,592 to $522,939.
- Total compensation for then-general manager Robert J. Macleod increased 80 percent, from $115,522 to $207,677 over the same period (the latter figure includes deferred compensation and benefits totaling $66,896).
- Compensation for President Wayne J. Quint, Jr. increased 29 percent, from $185,070 to $239,296.
Macleod has since left the union. The general manager is now Mark Nichols.
WHAT?!
President Quint returned The Watchdog’s call last night (thank you, Mr. Quint), and was a bit flummoxed by some of these figures. “I don’t make $185,000 or $239,000,” he said. “That is not my salary. I make about $150,000 in salary.”
The Watchdog apologized and explained that she took the numbers right off the union’s own tax returns.
The figures, Quint said, might reflect his total compensation, with benefits factored in. But not his salary. (The tax returns, however, list “zero” under Quint’s benefit plan contribution, deferred compensation and expense accounts. We’ll post further clarification as it emerges).
Quint asked us to stress that “this is not taxpayer money, not one cent.” Union salaries are paid by the deputies’ membership dues, which produced $1.35 million in 2006.
As my colleagues noted in their investigation of overtime at the Sheriff’s Department - which has enraged many deputies - Quint is on formal leave from the department to concentrate on his union duties. Under the union contract, the Sheriff’s Department continues to pay Quint’s salary, and the union reimburses the county for the salary, overtime and benefits. (Quint boosted his paycheck with $35,908 in overtime in 2006 and $38,548 in 2007, according to the Register’s analysis.)
Quint also asked us to find out what sort of raise others of his rank received over the same time period. He expects it will turn out to be 29 percent, if that’s indeed what his raise was. We’ll post the answer to that question when we get it as well. (We’ll be calling, Amormino!)
BACKGROUND ON THE UNION
Its members are fully sworn deputies, investigators and sergeants of the Orange County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney’s Bureau of Investigations. “Our members proudly protect, at any risk or harm to themselves, the residents and visitors of Orange County, California, 24 hours a day, seven days a week,” the union’s web site says.
There’s more financial detail on the union here, including The Watchdog’s Three Year Financial Snapshot.
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Yes, the members pay the salary for the Manager and the minimal office staff, and reimburse the county for the salary, benefits and overtime of the org. president, in this case Quint. So, what is your objection? How about watchdogging the hiring practices of the board of supervisors, you know, all the contracts they hand out to Maneiro’s lawyer friends?
So their salary is paid for by union dues. What’s that got to do with us?
WHO CARES? IF YOU WANNA BECOME A DEPUTY SHERIFF THAN TEST FOR IT. STOP BASHING THE HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT. TRUST ME, I WOULD RATHER PLAY BASEBALL FOR 3 MILLION A SEASON. YOU GUYS AT THE REGISTER HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO WRITE ABOUT, IT’S OLD AND BORING NEWS!
Why the hell is this even an issue? No taxpayer dollars in the equation at all. The OCR is just looking to create an issue where there’s none. Typical tabloid.
It takes away from tax revenue according to the writers response to me in my letter regarding attacking the Scouting Organizations…
Trust me this writer tired very hard to attacked Boy Scouts for making roughly the same and failed even with simple mathematical calculations in her printed article week before last.
Here are the Facts:
In 2006, President Wayne J. Quint, Jr compensation was 21.2% higher then the three year average.
In 2005, his compensation was 17.5% lower then the three year average.
Actual difference 3.7% increase. Again a small increase in reference to inflation and cost of living.
The question is who will the writer attempt to smear next?
Oh Geeez…OCR, take any police officer salary and you will see the total compensation area is an unusually high number. That’s our benefits (e.g. medical, dental, worker comp, etc.) The Sheriff’s benefits arent as good as some other cities like Westminster, Fountain Valley, etc. Get a clue. The only good thing about this article is truely shows your lack of credibility.
Here’s a statistic I believe about 40% of what the OCR publishes!
“We’ll post further clarification as it emerges”….Maybe you should do your homework first…Teri!
Another worthless article by OC RAG psuedo-writer Teri Sforza. The members of AOCDS know that their dues pay the staff. How is this article informative to the general public, which does not pay for any of the staff. Nice job Sforza trying to dishonor the OCSD again. Unfortunately you were outsmarted again. U should go back to writing for the Orange Coast CC paper.
Typical of you and the Register.
ahhhhhh the OC Sheriffs so misunderstood, So unappreciated, you guys are way overpaid….
well everyone before me has said it for me. i completely agree with them. seriously who cares! im glad i read this piece of junk online for free and not have to pay for it.
its amazing! you guys have so much free time between texting at work and watching Blogs. no wonder prisoners end up get beaten to death
>>># jorants Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
its amazing! you guys have so much free time between texting at work and watching Blogs. no wonder prisoners end up get beaten to death<<<
Ignoramus post of the month. Even dumber than the OCR.
Thanks Mark.
I look at numbers all day and just get very offensive when financial data is not presented correctly or without the full facts. I will look at Sheriff’s Union more closely when a get some time later this week.
However, as we can already see the writing of Ms. Sforza and the OC Register has, as the Boy Scouts stated, is once again very disappointing and with an inappropriate angle.
When will newspapers stop trying to sell headlines?
Here is one for everyone if you look at the link it says 74% and the article title says 80%. Just continues to show how numbers seem to take on a new life with this writer.
I’m voting for Moorlach
TERI
GO BACK TO THE AMOUNT OF TAX PAYER MONEY BEING BURNED BY THE HOSPITAL EXECUTIVES… THIS IS CLEAR CUT TAX PAYER REVENUE.
Take a look at the hospital revenue declarations at OSHPD.
OSHPD clearly shows that there is huge amounts of tax payer money flowing to the hospitals.
No explanation has yet been provided.
This story seems more like a shot over the bow of our hardworking law enforcement officers.
I would discourage even mild attempts at threatening our LEO’s and instead focus on the answers to the questions posted on this blog.
OC Register looks like it has an axe to grind with this column. It would be wiser to just keep researching and publishing more on the same topic…. where does our tax payer money go?
jorants Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
its amazing! you guys have so much free time between texting at work and watching Blogs. no wonder prisoners end up get beaten to death
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These are GED edcuated, what did you expect?
Well, I think I’ve consistently shown that you’re a fraud and you know nothing about anything. GED your momma’s big ass. The Departments see to it that not only are officers and deputies educated, but that they participate in the agency’s continuing education program. If you weren’t such a hateful and convicted felon little bastard, you’d just admit that we’re superior to you in countless respects.
How hard it is for you to accept the truth little punk.
By the way, I’ve known plenty of folks who were GED educated and they’re great people. You hammer on that point so much, it’s obvious you’re extremely jealous and mad at the world.
>>># jorants Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I’m voting for Moorlach<<<
Knock yourself out. Hope you have plenty of lube.
Alan and Co,
I’ll bite. What is the agenda against the Boy Scouts? State it and debate it. What is the agenda? Who is out to get the Boy Scouts?
Bucky, please follow along …
Unless you have a different angle for these numbers or do you just go along with what the media wants teaches you.
What is your take on these numbers?
Are they reasonable?
If you want to talk this time, please try to stick with facts, follow along because now we are talking about the Sheriff’s Union and try to avoid the emotional draw and personal attacks.
I wish I understood where you guys are coming from.
Medical care in this country is paid for largely by private insurance companies. Where do you get the idea that becasue a hospital is nonprofit, it is taxpayer-funded?! I’m really quite bemused.
We’ll get some more specific breakdowns from the hospitals about revenue flow, but you do NOT get taxpayer money because you are a nonprofit hospital.
However, remember as you pointed out, every dollar given to a non-profit is a dollar taken away from tax revenues ;).
So is it not funded indirectly by our taxes?
Alan,
That was very nice, and wasn’t even a response to the question I had had asked in response to your one of many statements of an agenda against the Boy Scouts. What is the agenda? Who are the ‘They” that are out to get the BSA?
You tack the agenda accusation on to larger, and sometimes, off topic issues. In fact, you tack it on to every discussion in every board. It appears that you want something to stick without scrutiny. Stand and deliver.
What is the agenda? Who is out to get the BSA?
Follow along Bucky - PLEASE
(actually if you cannot even follow along then I do not see how any of my posts or anyones will even matter)
Here are all three (3) posts in this article:
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# Alan Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 11:17 am
It takes away from tax revenue according to the writers response to me in my letter regarding attacking the Scouting Organizations…
Trust me this writer tired very hard to attacked Boy Scouts for making roughly the same and failed even with simple mathematical calculations in her printed article week before last.
Here are the Facts:
In 2006, President Wayne J. Quint, Jr compensation was 21.2% higher then the three year average.
In 2005, his compensation was 17.5% lower then the three year average.
Actual difference 3.7% increase. Again a small increase in reference to inflation and cost of living.
The question is who will the writer attempt to smear next?
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# Alan Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Thanks Mark.
I look at numbers all day and just get very offensive when financial data is not presented correctly or without the full facts. I will look at Sheriff’s Union more closely when a get some time later this week.
However, as we can already see the writing of Ms. Sforza and the OC Register has, as the Boy Scouts stated, is once again very disappointing and with an inappropriate angle.
When will newspapers stop trying to sell headlines?
Here is one for everyone if you look at the link it says 74% and the article title says 80%. Just continues to show how numbers seem to take on a new life with this writer.
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# Alan Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Bucky, please follow along …
Unless you have a different angle for these numbers or do you just go along with what the media wants teaches you.
What is your take on these numbers?
Are they reasonable?
If you want to talk this time, please try to stick with facts, follow along because now we are talking about the Sheriff’s Union and try to avoid the emotional draw and personal attacks.
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Now what are you talking about on agenda? That was a different topic from two weeks ago. Feel free to catch up anytime you are ready.
P.S. We are on the topic titled, Compensation for sheriffs’ union GM rose 80 percent.
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When you find the right page the questions related to this topic are:
1) What is your take on these numbers?
2) Are they reasonable?
Alan,
You’ve mentioned it on every board you could. I’ll follow along when you focus on one topic at a time, and knock off the ‘angle’ bit.
As far as following along, you and Strongisjedi are terribly verbose, jam a lot of rhetoric into your assertions, and overstate your positions. If your cold hard numbers are correct, it gets lost in all the noise.
(sigh)
More of your emotional and personal attacks. Nothing new as always…
… Again, the questions related to this topic are:
1) What is your take on these numbers?
2) Are they reasonable?
… and by completely avoiding the question it is obviously your intention to create the noise to take the focus off the facts as always…
Here are the Facts:
In 2006, President Wayne J. Quint, Jr compensation was 21.2% higher then the three year average.
In 2005, his compensation was 17.5% lower then the three year average.
Actual difference 3.7% increase. Again a small increase in reference to inflation and cost of living.
The question is who will the writer attempt to smear next?
I just thought your angle and method of creating the noise would change as you clearly wanted to meet again when Ms. Sforza has something bigger to report.
.. but clearly you are stuck in the pass.
(past).
I guess you are ready to put this one to rest but just interesting how you are not attacking these numbers and the huge percentage and only did so with the Scouting Organizations.
Clearly you are bent on making sure equal comparisons are not made and add no value to the conversations.
It really is not worth my time unless you can provide value input.
This will be MY LAST POST IN RESPONSE TO YOUR USELESS ATTACKS as it is clearly a waste of my time and energy.
You are right all it does it create noise as is what your intention is by even posting useless information.
It took me two (2) weeks to figure that out.
Bucky, HAVE FUN MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS, CREATING NOISE AND EMOTIONAL ATTACKS. It is not worth my time
I believe about 2003 the board and the assoc agreed to allow the AOCDS to compensate their president (currently Mr. Quint) for overtime worked up to an average of that worked by others in his rank. Up to, but not over the average. This compensation comes solely from the membership, not taxpayers. Considering the guy works 10-12 and more each day and most evenings and weekends on our behalf, we have no problem with it.
How much are you paying monthly in dues? Do you have to pay dues? Who sets the price?
JohnB; no, you don’t have to, its not a “closed shop”. Of 1800 elegible membership, about 25 choose not to join/paydues, but still participate in all benefits except those paid for by the duespaying members ( e.g. legal representation co-op) The dues are 1% of base pay, but updated only every 10-15 years. They are probably now based on a wage of 5years ago. Dues are set in the by-laws, by vote of the membership.
Strongsidejedi,
You’ve been blasting CHOC arguments into every single board you could. In fact, you took over a few. Everyone, whether they want to or not, knows where to find your blog. The OCR has given you what you wanted and the issue was a popular subject for debate with more input than most. Why are you on this board? Give others a chance to get a forum for their issues.
Personally, I see no issue with deleting off topic posts (including this one). That’s how the big boys do it.
No offense intended, but alot of people have forgot to set their GPS locators. What has this board got to do with either Boy Scouts of America or Cal-Optima? Its about compensation of law enforcement union staff. Ms. Sforza entertains those other topics elsewhere.
Oldski, I could not agree more you might want to talk to Bucky and just read pass his noise.
Here are the FACTS:
In 2006, President Wayne J. Quint, Jr compensation was 21.2% higher then the three year average.
In 2005, his compensation was 17.5% lower then the three year average.
Actual difference 3.7% increase.
Again a small increase in reference to inflation and cost of living.
The question is who will the writer attempt to smear next?
Sorry you have to get lost in all the noise and big headlines to get the facts. Bucky has issues with any increases being received, either by Sheriffs or Scouts. Must be something against people in uniform.
Alan - just let it go…
The majority of the people do not mind these figures as they are, as you have once again clearly shown, very irrelevant.
You are not going to be able to educate some readers as Bucky said with your very informative reading assignments. Some people could care less and just want to argue that your numbers are wrong.
Again thank you so much for representing the Sheriffs and yes the Scouts by showing those that want to be informed the facts and what the numbers really represent. We get it.
Thanks.
Alan anytime the writer posts INFORMATION, you call it a smear. She’s just shining the light on these groups.
Alan, walk toward the light, you’ve wandered over to the “dark side”
Alan,
I’ve actually known more people in uniform in many ways. I’ve worked with law enforcement, myself. And I don’t just mean local. I don’t recall arguing that the Sherrif’s shouldn’t receive an increase. It is dishonest for you to say that, but it helps your case, doesn’t it? Besides, why are you throwing the whole organization out in front to take the bullet for the GM of the union?
You had no problem with Strongsidejedi hijacking the other boards. You said nothing. You even threw in your tangents and innuendo. You had no issue with loss of focus when you threw out all that chaff to cloud the issues and change the subject.
Mark Sanderon,
I haven’t made any comment about the Sherrif’s department. The few OC Sherrif’’s I’ve known are upstanding individuals and I’m sympathetic to what they went through with Corona. Again, aren’t we talking about the GM of the union?
Alan does no service for the boys and the disaffected volunteers in Scouting at the unit level. He only sticks up for the upper management.
I like the honor by association bit—Sheriffs and Scouts. The appeal to pity is wonderful. But, those Sheriff’s are pretty big and have guns. I’m sure they aren’t easily picked on.
There is only 1 (one) Sheriff everyone…then there is an under sheriff or asst. sheriff etc…But only one sheriff.
Obviously there was no hijacking of any boards. The comments were fact based and not attacking on others.
The attempts by some here to attack the personality of the individual rather than focus on the facts is reflective of “internet troll” behavior.
The trolls can go back to their underground cave. The rest of us are going to keep focusing on the facts.
Eliz,
Thank you. There is only one Sheriff.
So this entire union represents one (1) person?
1,800 members
How about those Angels?
Alan,
Now, you’re just being a jerk. Eliz was correcting my use of the term Sheriff.
Bucky, another personal and emotional attack. useless
Alan, that was actually my first personal attack on you. I put another attacking your integrity on another board.
But, this isn’t a moderated board, so why not open up a flame war? Lets start with calling each other ‘trolls’ over and over and over. Strongsidejedi might want to write that word down. He seems stuck on one word in the lexicon. This board is run by amateurs.
Well, at least you stay on message.