I am a doctor. You do not sound like one. Until I read the stuff on this blog, I would never have known this information was available or public. I hope the OC Register keeps printing this information.

For years I have seen patients suffer and die in this county because of these HMO’s and their executives preventing us from taking care of patients.

The editors of the Orange County Register would never delete the comments of strongsidejedi because the person’s information is objective and the person cites sources.

You, on the other hand, post personal attacks, bigotted comments about Mormons and then try a twisted argument for censoring information.

I think the arguments are a vital necessity and are defending your life more than you know.

You don’t know. You aren’t in this wreched system that thinks your life is worth less per month than 3 latte’s at Starbucks!

But why couldn’t you wait a couple days for the OCR to move on instead of wrestling the subject away? It wasn’t much of a story and didn’t have more than a couple days of life left in it.

Kudos for the media management and the information subsidy. A good flack always has a bigger target in the back of his pocket to change the subject. You say ‘we’. Is there a ‘we’? Is it “you”? Is it Astroturf? Your ‘movement’ started Aug 8th?

As far as execs go, its a larger and touchy issue. Compensation Committees are often made up of other CEO’s and well paid execs who make lots of money and want to justify their own pay. This isn’t a professional courtesy, its self preservation. And I don’t ever want to hear about how the mission (forget the efficacy) of the organization as a whole justifies the pay of one person.

Quite frankly, I think that your attempts to hijack the topic on the other pages should be deleted. It would also help if the authors would show their work and not leave the posters to fight over the math.

Oh, and I am not easily baited. I see that you borrow a lot of my words and try to turn them on me. You must think that I’m projecting myself upon you. Good tactic. I’ll have to try it.

Earlier in this discussion you requested me to step forward. I am not the issue. Get over me and stick to the facts.

The issue is why it is permissible to paint the Boy Scouts with a target when a simple amount of study shows the hospitals to be a much larger issue.

Tthe BILLIONS of dollars of TAXPAYER money moving to the hospitals in our county is MORE than enough reason to study their revenue stream.

Look, I do feel some sympathy because its obvious that something happened to you that is grave enough for you to go about things the way you do.

I don’t believe that you care about the Boy Scouts or anything else one way or the other. Your attacks on me are just plagiarized versions of what I wrote to you. Your posts initially read like you’re trying to find a bigger target to pick on than the BSA, but even when the OCR moved away, you kept pushing them to CHOC. It has been most transparent. The world is full of evils, but this is the one you picked to fix.

What is the big get even here? How are we supposed to be emotionally involved? The whole non-profit sector is full over overpaid executives. I can rattle off a list you haven’t thought of yet.

If you’re a laid off employee, you have my sympathies, and it wouldn’t discount your position. Just state it.

And no, I was not passed over for Eagle.

I’ll bet that one executive is being paid more than many of the nurses combined. I mean, if the executives are taking out of the budget more than $40,000 per month; it really talks doesn’t it?

I doubt those nurses are getting more than $15,000 in salary per month.

A simple google search identifies a non-profit called the California Children’s Hospital Association
Their website identifies Regular and Associate members. They are as follows:

Regular Members
Children’s Hospital Central California
Childrens Hospital Los Angeles
Children’s Hospital of Orange County
Children’s Hospital & Research Center at Oakland
Loma Linda University Children’s Hospital (not identified tonight on guidestar)
Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital at Stanford
Miller Children’s Hospital (not identified tonight on guidestar)
Rady Children’s Hospital - San Diego

Associate Members
Mattel Children’s Hospital at UCLA
University Children’s Hospital at University of California Irvine
University of California, Davis Children’s Hospital
University of California, San Diego Children’s Hospital
University of California, San Francisco Children’s Hospital
Children’s Center at Sutter Medical Center, Sacramento

In a written statement to the Orange County Register, a spokesperson for CHOC defends the actions of their Board of Directors by stating:
“The system serves multiple counties - Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and parts of San Diego, and receives patients from more than 70 hospitals. It is the only children’s healthcare system in the region and acts as a safety net for some of the area’s neediest and most critically ill children.”

Review of the list from the CCHA (of which we note that CHOC is a member and acknowledges) shows that there are seven other children’s hospitals in the counties listed by CHOC representatives. We are unclear why CHOC states that they are the “only children’s healthcare system in the region” when USC, UC Irvine, UCLA, UC San Diego, and Loma Linda all have university and medical school affiliated pediatric hospitals. Each of those websites list university affiliation as a part of their programs.

We rank list the reported income of some of these hospitals in 2005
They are:
Hospital (ranked in total Revenue)

Lucille Packard Children’s Hospital, Stanford, California ($556,069,591 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles ($527,823,635 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of San Diego ($395,573,634 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of Orange County ($343,304,390 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital at Oakland ($336,809,036 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of Central California- Fresno, California ($291,257,219 in 2005)
Miller Children’s Hospital, Long Beach, California (not reported on Guidestar)
UCLA Children’s Hospital, Los Angeles, California (not reported on Guidestar)

Here is the rank list of CEO salaries for the California children’s hospitals we identified at Guidestar tonight.

1. Children’s Hospital of San Diego (number 3 in annual 2005 revenue)
Blair Sadler
President
TOTAL = $1,195,103
Compensation= $ 921,381
Benefits = $259,232
Expense Account = $14,490
2. Children’s Hospital of Orange County (number 4 in annual 2005 revenue)

Kim Cripe - CEO
TOTAL = $1,101,159
Compensation = $846,394
Benefits = $215,965.00
Expense Account = $38,800

3. Lucile Salter Packard Children’s Hospital (number 1 in annual 2005 revenue)
Christopher Dawes - CEO/President
TOTAL = $809,386.00
Compensation = $768,668
Benefits = $40,718
Expense Account = $0

4. Children’s Hospital of Oakland reports on 2006 tax return
Frank Tiedemann, MD - President & CEO
TOTAL = $673,671
Compensation = $586,142
Benefits = $87,529
Expense account = $0

5. Central California Children’s Hospital
William F. Haug CEO
TOTAL: $597,337
Compensation= $571,478
Benefits = $16,259
Expenses = $9,600

6. Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles (number 2 in annual 2005 revenue)
Richard Cordova - President and CEO
TOTAL= $570,605
Compensation = $416,062
Benefits = $153,665
Expense account = $878

However, review of the related organization’s Form 990 shows otherwise.

CHOC’s Form 990 lists a related organization called Children’s Healthcare of California with an identical street address, identical executive officers as CHOC, and yet different books.

The CHC 2005 tax return states total program service revenue for CHC as being $1,347,000 in 2005.

They also report the CEO and CFO salaries…which total $1,346,383.00.

It seems that the CEO + CFO salary is 99.954% of the annual program service revenue of the entire non-profit.

Now, can someone at OC Register explain to this citizen why you are bagging on BSA so much when the ratio of Program Service Revenue to CEO + CFO salary exceeds 99.9% ????