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Hoag, CHOC hospital execs earn more than $1 million each
September 3rd, 2008, 7:00 am · 45 Comments · posted by Teri Sforza, Register staff writer
In a raging debate on this site about how much the top-paid National Boy Scout exec earned (nearly $900,000), the conversation somewhat inexplicably turned to how much the heads of local non-profit hospitals make.
OK. The Watchdog will bite.
In fact, eight of Orange County’s 10 largest nonprofits (ranked by how much money they bring in) are hospitals, according to the Gianneschi Center for Nonprofit Research at CSU Fullerton.
And two of the executives at said hospitals — Hoag Memorial Hospital Presbyterian and Children’s Hospital Orange County — earn more than $1 million each. Which, we duly note, has caused a few jaws to drop, and exceeds the compensation paid to the Uber Boy Scout.
But the other six hospital executives earned less than the Uber Boy Scout.
It could be argued, of course, that the duties of the Boy Scout execs (building character, running a volunteer organization, etc.) are but a shadow of what a hospital executive deals with (life, death, blood, guts, malpractice insurance, billing, etc.). But we’ll just put forward the facts and let you argue about what it all means.
Here, from the most recent tax returns filed by the nonprofit hospitals with the IRS, are names and numbers: 
- We will also note that Saddleback Memorial and Anaheim Memorial medical centers are part of the Memorial Health Services system. Memorial has six hospitals and several ambulatory facilities, home health care services, hospice programs and medical education programs. The system had $1.5 billion in net revenues in fiscal year 2007.
The Memorial system’s executive, Barry Arbuckle, earned $1,024,048 in total compensation. Note that Hoag’s exec made more while managing less than half the revenue; and CHOC’s exec made more while managing less than a quarter of the revenue.
- St. Jude Hospital Yorba Linda, St. Joseph Hospital of Orange and Mission Hospital Regional Medical Center in Mission Viejo are part of the St. Joseph Health System chain. It has 14 hospitals, three home health agencies and multiple physician groups. The system had more than $3 billion in net revenue.
The system’s executive, Deborah Proctor, earned $1,154,144 in total compensation. Again, that’s less than the Hoag exec (while Proctor managed vastly more revenue), and only slightly more than the CHOC exec (who managed a fraction of the revenue).
Hoag officials were invited to comment but declined.
CHOC spokeswoman Denise Almazan said that Cripe oversees a “health system” - i.e., two hospitals, CHOC and CHOC at Mission. ”I know in the past when The Register has run similar articles/charts, they sometimes clarify to the readers how ‘benefits,’ for example, are defined. These figures include worker’s compensation premiums, the employer portion of FICA, etc., and is not really ‘compensation’ to the executive. Will this be defined for your readers?”
Yes, Ms. Almazan, it will. Thanks for getting back to us on the tight deadline.
See more explanation from CHOC and Joy Diffendal.
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September 3rd, 2008 at 7:53 am
If you look at any public company with similar revenues you will find that this compensation is consistent with the executives running those companies. Hoag is one of the largest institutions in the area and naturally it comes with the highest executive compensation. Most boards of directors use consultants to help establish competitive and appropriate compensation packages. A lot of factors go into establishing a compensation package including what the executive brings to the party. Dr. Afable is a physician which is an additional qualification that justifies a higher package. I have met Dr. Afable and he is a very effective and capable executive. Hoag has made great progress under his direction including the establishment of the Heart Valve Center which is a tremendous asset to the community.
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:03 am
Simply amazing. I realize that organizations, be they for-profit or not-for-profit, need to pay to get the best executives and that compensation is extremely subjective, but a million-plus is a lot, considering the median household income is under $100,000. Why don’t we resolve the state budget deadlock by asking these and the other top earners to pay a little extra in income taxes? Would they really miss the money?
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:05 am
Where is Strongsidejedi? He pushed for this, and pushed for this. He got what he wanted, and he’s not here. He should have called in sick and responded to this.
Strongsidejedi, what is your point? Did you lose a lawsuit with CHOC? Did they pad your bill? Did they misdiagnose you with ADD when you went in with a sprained ankle?
Whatever the case, you got your forum, now make a point or forever hold your peace.
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 am
Alan - a hospital may have 4000 employees while the BSA has 40. The budgets are $400million vs. $8Million. Apples to apples buddy……would you compare the local convenience store owner to the president of Albertsons or Ralphs? Reading your posts, you probably would.
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am
There are a lot of physicians in OC who make more than 1 million a year- what’s the problem? Dr. Afable of Hoag could probably make more practicing medicine full time. I’m grateful to have him running Hoag.
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 am
So… Why not go through every company in Orange County and publish the executives pay? Have you seen the pay of the physicians at Hoag and CHOC. These companies are not for profit but they need good leadership to survive. The only way they will get good leadership is by providing competitive pay to the executives. Seriously, the OC Register needs to stop wasting its time on worthless stories and focus on reporting REAL news. Maybe then the company will have a budget large enough to pay for someone to proofread their articles before they publish them.
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
Ridiculous!!! This is the problem with our healthcare system, they are big-business operations in search of profit and profit alone, and not healthcare systems at all. Makes me sick!!!!
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
OMG…….I will NOT donate another dime to CHOC again!!!!
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
The top execs at hospital DO NOT save lives!! They don’t actually care for patients. It’s the doctors and nurses that save lives. Less money for execs and more for doctors and nurses.
People do not compare not-profit to profit. They are different business models. People in non-profit should get paid LESS then for-profit.
Look at who’s setting the pay level, other executives and their friends on the BOD. Can nurses set each others pay? Can anyone of us at a lower level set their own pay level and their friends?
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Out of all the industrialized nations, America has some of the worst healthcare in the world. Good thing a-holes like this are nice and comfy with thier salaries while people die in emergency room waiting areas.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
jeez2m,
Based on your comments you still have not read a single post I have made. Let me see 4,000 (Hospital) to 60,000 (Boy Scouts - Local).
But then your comments have usually never contained any information so I am thankful for you trying to add value to the conversation.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
jeez2m - oh I forgot to mention that our local Boy Scouts executive is still almost half that figure.
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
And how much does a “staff reporter” at the Register get paid per year?
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Alan, I have an idea. The scouts have first aide training. Let them open a non-emergency first aide station, under cutting prices for the hospital ER. The scouts make a profit (and get hands on training), customers get lower medical cost and it takes the strain off the hospital ER….we all win. Now that’s what I call a business plan
September 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
… and they still make less compensation, too.
September 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
lapdog of the Mormons
Again trying to pull emotion into the conversation. Let us stick with the facts, please.
September 3rd, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Alan,
You like to cherry pick, and the BSA has become the lapdog of the Mormons as the LDS has wielded considerable power in the organization. Not all of it is choosing the ‘values’, but also running the units and advancement their own way. They have made it quite clear that they will pull their support the second the BSA compromises its position on certain issues.
You do not stick to the facts, as you say it. You are defensive and have made it as much an issue in the debate as the issue at hand itself.
I don’t think that you are dishonest, but do think that you put those in charge up on a pedestal and not subject to criticism or inspection. Its just another organization with internal politics, factions, good guys, and bad guys.
I’m all for the boys, but I didn’t buy into the Culture Wars. Many don’t appreciate invoking the image of the adorkable kids to defend issues that the parents of those kids don’t necessarily support.
On that note, the 4M kids that the BSA likes to throw out there are not all “traditional units”. Some are Explorers, Learning for Life, and ROTC units using the insurance. Also, and I have seen this, some kids in traditional units do not know that they are in Scouting.
All LDS kids are automatically enrolled, but some Councils will approach a youth services NFP and ask if they can enroll their kids, but just ask for the names of kids and enroll them. They promise to pay for staff to run the program but it never materializes. I don’t know if that counts as a ghost unit, but not all of these units ever get off the ground once the CA’s are met. The BSA may pretend to be black and white on the outside, but it is a shade of gray on the inside.
Oh, how many kids showed up once or twice, but is still on the roster? Is that kid being served? How about units that no longer meet, but are still on the rolls until rechartering?
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
You like to cherry pick, and the BSA has become the lapdog of the Mormons
Again personal attacks and emotional statements are useless. Please state your facts that counter the reality if you have any, please.
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:57 pm
One the one hand this is America and anything goes. On the other hand, American CEO’s earn outrageously large sums of money in comparison to their counterparts elsewhere around the globe. It’s just part of our culture that individual endeavor is valued over the social good.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
The boy scouts suck. All those rules, conformity, and prancing around in uniforms. Dorky.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Teri,
Thank you for finally posting that information.
This information has been publicly available.
I believe it more instructive to the citizens of Orange County if OC Register would kindly post the following data:
1. The total amount of money each facility gets in tax payer funding from Cal Optima risk pools.
2. The total amount of money that each executive officer has received from the non-profit hospital over their career.
3. The 100 highest paid contractors for Cal Optima.
Thank you for getting back to reporting. You are restoring my impression of the role of journalists, but your paper has a very long way to go before the real facts are released.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Message for Howard from Irvine -
Sir, these executives are under pressure from many directions, but there is very little to suggest that these hospitals deserve special tax incentives or breaks.
Not listed by OC Register are the salaries of the executives at privately owned, for-profit heatlhcare entities in the OC.
A recent story in the Wall Street Journal describes the problem here.
With hospital executives incentivized to pay themselves more, there is nothing in the system to hold the non-profit hospital in balance.
In fact, the independence of the journal/newspaper is brought into question when the papers fail to report on substandard administrative conduct, poor healthcare outcomes, and high premiums.
ALL BUSINESS in the OC are affected by these outrageous salaries and administrative overhead in healthcare delivery.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:38 pm
jeffm495 - Do you have measurement device or data that you can publish regarding how much a physician makes in the OC? I have not been able to locate publicly available information on how much private practice physicians make in this area. However, if the turnover at the local hospital controlled offices are any indication, there is very little control in the hands of those doctors.
One review of the initial doctors at a local health center shows that the doctors turn over every 2-4 years.
Discussion with my doctor revealed that he was changing hospitals due to having to change contracts or medical staff because he lost confidence in one center. He also got upset that he could not follow our family if we got sick and had to be admitted to the hospital.
While I do not know the doctors in question, the CEO salaries are only the tip of the administrative iceberg.
The real kicker seems to be the independent contractor disclosures that the hospitals and healthcare systems make.
Those contracts appear to be worth MILLIONS per month (not per year).
So, our evaluation is that the publication of CEO salaries is good, but not enough to satisfy the needs for TRUE TRANSPARENCY IN HEALTHCARE SPENDING>
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:39 pm
indifferent - I have not seen the pay of physicians at Hoag. Please publish it.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:40 pm
ocoldude Says:
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
And how much does a “staff reporter” at the Register get paid per year?
My answer: Not enough for this headache of a column!
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Bucky - BSA is outstanding. Not only does BSA make due with only small contributions and corporate supporters, but they have to ignore trolls like you in order to spend time helping others and doing their good turns.
Are you some kind of Eagle Court reject or something?
Did you have some sort of evil scout permanently damage your impression of the BSA?
Since this paper started this column and wants to delve into the facts, bring it on. Bring on the transparency in contracting. Bring on the transparency in publishing people’s take on the government dollar. Bring on the discussion in our democratic way.
But, don’t you go attacking our BSA when the BSA doesn’t consume a single penny of tax payer dollars.
I’d say that we should go looking at Boys and Girls Clubs and why they can claim 4.5 million in revenue at ONE Garden Grove club…. how much of that revenue is tax payer money???
Minds that register want to add up the cash… but will the Boys and Girls Clubs stop harassing conservatives in the BSA?
I doubt it.
It’s easier for you liberals to spend other people’s money than your own.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Bucky said, “BSA has become the lapdog of the Mormons as the LDS has wielded considerable power in the organization”
While LDS members may have considerable involvement in the BSA, I would add that the LDS membership of BSA has never forced non-LDS Boy Scouts to adhere to LDS values. You are raising a bigoted argument in the context of a debate on the valuation of non-profit administrative work.
Are you just bigoted towards Mormons and therefore see BSA as a proxy for your antagonism?
Or, are you just opposed to raising young men with moral character and discipline?
You see, Alan and I are more interested in understanding your position (however untenable and illogical). I just have to know why you are so antagonistic to transparency in non-profits and especially ones that claim to be protecting the lives of the ill.
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:38 pm
strongsidejedi Says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 pm
The “fundamental errors” are yours Ms. Forza.
CHOC lists revenue. That revenue comes from more than private insurance companies and patients.
Our sources tell us that the hospital gains significant revenue from MediCal patients.
MediCal has hospital risk pools which are gargantuan.
Our source says that the hospital gets $75 to $100 per month for each child enrolled in CHOC Health Alliance.
So, when OC Register reported that Kerri Ruppert was shifting 20,000 patients from St. Joseph’s Hospital’s Medi-Cal contract to her own CHOC Health Alliance contract… do the math Teri.
20,000 patients x $100 per month = $2,000,000 per month in revenue or $20,000,000 per year.
CHOC Health Alliance does not release publicly the number of patients enrolled through Cal Optima.
Assume CHOC Health Alliance has 100,000 children enrolled.
That would be $10,000,000 per month in revenue, or $120,000,000 per year.
Now, that adds up because the Income number on the CHOC tax return suggests income of $340 million per year.
Our physician sources indicate that half the hospital is filled with Medi-Cal patients. CHOC collects revenue for those services from Cal Optima.
It’s the whole reason that OCMA sent the letter to Cal Optima. Some one is hunting for facts.
You are not reporting facts accurately.
If CHOC wants to release more information on their tax returns, that would be great. But the OC Register should take better precautions when only printing what Kerri Ruppert or Kim Cripe or their marketing team reports. After reviewing their returns, they are lying and misrepresenting their revenue if they are stating what you report.
It is particularly sad that people lose their independence and begin doing CHOC’ management’s dirty work and taking career risks when they should not.
The sideswiping of Anaheim Memorial Foundation by OC Register is intriguing. Will you post similar facts about the CHOC Foundation?
How about publishing the facts on ALL hospital foundations, including the result of the Western Medical Center merger with Tenet?
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm
OC Watchdog has been commenting upon the reasons for the sales of Anaheim Memorial Hospital
Isn’t it unfortunate the way some business conduct is recharacterized in less injurious words?
Look at this phraseology…
“AMMC’s service area has an increasingly unfavorable payer mix of patients and generally declining market conditions;”
Let’s rephrase this in more direct verbage.
Anaheim Memorial serves the poor (also known as “unfavorable payer mix”).
Declining market conditions means that the people are sick and need expensive interventions to live.
“AMMC’s market share has been stagnant”
This means that Anaheim Memorial has been unable to balance the poor reimbursements from Cal Optima against the cost shifting from privately insured patients. The reason is that the Sisters of St. Joseph are blocking enrollment on two sides of their area (with St. Judes pushing from the north and St. Joseph’s pushing from the south). The area of best growth would have been Anaheim Hills, but the attempt by Anaheim Memorial to build a satellite medical office building failed in the late 1990’s with the sales of the building to the City of Anaheim.
” and is unlikely to grow in the face of powerful Orange County competitors that were already well underway with seismic retrofit and facility expansion plans;”
This refers to the funding that St. Joseph’s hospital and CHOC received from the California State Government’s Office of State Health Planning and Development. Apparently, the Memorial care hospitals have been unable to receive equal access to these funds in the OC.
September 4th, 2008 at 12:24 am
strongside jedi, “CHOC tax return suggests income of $340 million per year”…now after paying suppliers, employees and all the needs of a hospital, how much is left over as a profit? What is the actually hospital profit?
September 4th, 2008 at 6:40 am
Johnb Says:
What is the actually hospital profit?
Refer to line 18 on the Tax Return for more information if you just want to look at profit / loss.
September 4th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Alan, unfortunately I don’t have CHOC’s tax return at my computer, must have misplaced it. LOL Would you or anyone here have that information?
September 4th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Johnb - go to Guidestar and do your own homework. I am not your staff member and you are not my boss.
September 4th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I no longer support Choc nor the foundation. The board is on a mission to look good in the community. The staff is the heart and soul of the hospital and deserve the praise and funding.
.
September 4th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Just so the readers who are geniunely interested in the financial margins for non-profits…
CHOC reports that in 2005 that they had an excess of about $19 million dollars. They claimed a total net asset of $97,951,667 in 2005.
Note that the origins of the revenue reported on Part I, line 2 are never disclosed.
For this reason, OC Register needs to push on Cal Optima to release the hospital risk pools amounts.
September 4th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
CHOC is a hidden jewel in California and we are blessed to have them here! Thank goodness they have a CEO with the leadership skills and dedication necessary to fight the good fight on behalf of our children!
September 4th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
CHOC’s 990 tax return seems to list the Executive Compensation of the CEO, Kim Cripe, and the CFO, Kerri Ruppert, as zero.
However, review of the related organization’s Form 990 shows otherwise.
CHOC’s Form 990 lists a related organization called Children’s Healthcare of California with an identical street address, identical executive officers as CHOC, and yet different books.
The CHC 2005 tax return states total program service revenue for CHC as being $1,347,000 in 2005.
They also report the CEO and CFO salaries…which total $1,346,383.00.
It seems that the CEO + CFO salary is 99.954% of the annual program service revenue of the entire non-profit.
Now, can someone at OC Register explain to this citizen why you are bagging on BSA so much when the ratio of Program Service Revenue to CEO + CFO salary exceeds 99.9% ????
September 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
The statement sent to OC Register today stands in stark contrast to the facts revealed by simple Google searches.
A simple google search identifies a non-profit called the California Children’s Hospital Association
Their website identifies Regular and Associate members. They are as follows:
Regular Members
Children’s Hospital Central California
Childrens Hospital Los Angeles
Children’s Hospital of Orange County
Children’s Hospital & Research Center at Oakland
Loma Linda University Children’s Hospital (not identified tonight on guidestar)
Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital at Stanford
Miller Children’s Hospital (not identified tonight on guidestar)
Rady Children’s Hospital - San Diego
Associate Members
Mattel Children’s Hospital at UCLA
University Children’s Hospital at University of California Irvine
University of California, Davis Children’s Hospital
University of California, San Diego Children’s Hospital
University of California, San Francisco Children’s Hospital
Children’s Center at Sutter Medical Center, Sacramento
In a written statement to the Orange County Register, a spokesperson for CHOC defends the actions of their Board of Directors by stating:
“The system serves multiple counties - Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and parts of San Diego, and receives patients from more than 70 hospitals. It is the only children’s healthcare system in the region and acts as a safety net for some of the area’s neediest and most critically ill children.”
Review of the list from the CCHA (of which we note that CHOC is a member and acknowledges) shows that there are seven other children’s hospitals in the counties listed by CHOC representatives. We are unclear why CHOC states that they are the “only children’s healthcare system in the region” when USC, UC Irvine, UCLA, UC San Diego, and Loma Linda all have university and medical school affiliated pediatric hospitals. Each of those websites list university affiliation as a part of their programs.
We rank list the reported income of some of these hospitals in 2005
They are:
Hospital (ranked in total Revenue)
Lucille Packard Children’s Hospital, Stanford, California ($556,069,591 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles ($527,823,635 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of San Diego ($395,573,634 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of Orange County ($343,304,390 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital at Oakland ($336,809,036 in 2005)
Children’s Hospital of Central California- Fresno, California ($291,257,219 in 2005)
Miller Children’s Hospital, Long Beach, California (not reported on Guidestar)
UCLA Children’s Hospital, Los Angeles, California (not reported on Guidestar)
Here is the rank list of CEO salaries for the California children’s hospitals we identified at Guidestar tonight.
1. Children’s Hospital of San Diego (number 3 in annual 2005 revenue)
Blair Sadler
President
TOTAL = $1,195,103
Compensation= $ 921,381
Benefits = $259,232
Expense Account = $14,490
2. Children’s Hospital of Orange County (number 4 in annual 2005 revenue)
Kim Cripe - CEO
TOTAL = $1,101,159
Compensation = $846,394
Benefits = $215,965.00
Expense Account = $38,800
3. Lucile Salter Packard Children’s Hospital (number 1 in annual 2005 revenue)
Christopher Dawes - CEO/President
TOTAL = $809,386.00
Compensation = $768,668
Benefits = $40,718
Expense Account = $0
4. Children’s Hospital of Oakland reports on 2006 tax return
Frank Tiedemann, MD - President & CEO
TOTAL = $673,671
Compensation = $586,142
Benefits = $87,529
Expense account = $0
5. Central California Children’s Hospital
William F. Haug CEO
TOTAL: $597,337
Compensation= $571,478
Benefits = $16,259
Expenses = $9,600
6. Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles (number 2 in annual 2005 revenue)
Richard Cordova - President and CEO
TOTAL= $570,605
Compensation = $416,062
Benefits = $153,665
Expense account = $878
September 5th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Jason, That Jewel of leadership just cut off pediatric home care services to choc’s patients. Some of the best nurses around are gone. I received a nice letter but it looks like things have gone corporate drop shop not personal nor quality.
September 5th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
MPmom - you have to wonder how much those nurses were making in comparison to the executives.
I’ll bet that one executive is being paid more than many of the nurses combined. I mean, if the executives are taking out of the budget more than $40,000 per month; it really talks doesn’t it?
I doubt those nurses are getting more than $15,000 in salary per month.
September 6th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Strongsidejedi,
Look, I do feel some sympathy because its obvious that something happened to you that is grave enough for you to go about things the way you do.
I don’t believe that you care about the Boy Scouts or anything else one way or the other. Your attacks on me are just plagiarized versions of what I wrote to you. Your posts initially read like you’re trying to find a bigger target to pick on than the BSA, but even when the OCR moved away, you kept pushing them to CHOC. It has been most transparent. The world is full of evils, but this is the one you picked to fix.
What is the big get even here? How are we supposed to be emotionally involved? The whole non-profit sector is full over overpaid executives. I can rattle off a list you haven’t thought of yet.
If you’re a laid off employee, you have my sympathies, and it wouldn’t discount your position. Just state it.
And no, I was not passed over for Eagle.
September 6th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Bucky,
Earlier in this discussion you requested me to step forward. I am not the issue. Get over me and stick to the facts.
The issue is why it is permissible to paint the Boy Scouts with a target when a simple amount of study shows the hospitals to be a much larger issue.
Tthe BILLIONS of dollars of TAXPAYER money moving to the hospitals in our county is MORE than enough reason to study their revenue stream.
September 8th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Strongsidejedi,
But why couldn’t you wait a couple days for the OCR to move on instead of wrestling the subject away? It wasn’t much of a story and didn’t have more than a couple days of life left in it.
Kudos for the media management and the information subsidy. A good flack always has a bigger target in the back of his pocket to change the subject. You say ‘we’. Is there a ‘we’? Is it “you”? Is it Astroturf? Your ‘movement’ started Aug 8th?
As far as execs go, its a larger and touchy issue. Compensation Committees are often made up of other CEO’s and well paid execs who make lots of money and want to justify their own pay. This isn’t a professional courtesy, its self preservation. And I don’t ever want to hear about how the mission (forget the efficacy) of the organization as a whole justifies the pay of one person.
Quite frankly, I think that your attempts to hijack the topic on the other pages should be deleted. It would also help if the authors would show their work and not leave the posters to fight over the math.
Oh, and I am not easily baited. I see that you borrow a lot of my words and try to turn them on me. You must think that I’m projecting myself upon you. Good tactic. I’ll have to try it.
September 8th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Bucky
I am a doctor. You do not sound like one. Until I read the stuff on this blog, I would never have known this information was available or public. I hope the OC Register keeps printing this information.
For years I have seen patients suffer and die in this county because of these HMO’s and their executives preventing us from taking care of patients.
The editors of the Orange County Register would never delete the comments of strongsidejedi because the person’s information is objective and the person cites sources.
You, on the other hand, post personal attacks, bigotted comments about Mormons and then try a twisted argument for censoring information.
I think the arguments are a vital necessity and are defending your life more than you know.
You don’t know. You aren’t in this wreched system that thinks your life is worth less per month than 3 latte’s at Starbucks!