Comments on: OC Boy Scouts wrestle the economic downturn http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/ Your tax dollars at work. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:54:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Alan http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1261 Alan Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:07:49 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1261 Here is something I did not catch from the article that was printed on Saturday in the Orange County Register and special thanks to an anonymous blogger for making everything so simple. <i>"Nearly 70 percent of Orange County Scouts’ spending is on programs, the camping/character-building activities that form the core mission of the group (down from more than 77 percent in the two prior years). About 21.5 percent was spent on management (up from 14.7 percent in the two prior years). And 11.4 percent was spent on fundraising (up 9.5 percent in the two prior years).</i> Nearly 70 % Program Spending About 21.5 % Management Spending And 11.4 % Fundraising Spending = <b>~ 103%</b> This totally discounts the entire printed article as you can clearly see (without all the added numbers) the angle taken as the <b>author cannot even equal 100%</b>. Here is something I did not catch from the article that was printed on Saturday in the Orange County Register and special thanks to an anonymous blogger for making everything so simple.

“Nearly 70 percent of Orange County Scouts’ spending is on programs, the camping/character-building activities that form the core mission of the group (down from more than 77 percent in the two prior years). About 21.5 percent was spent on management (up from 14.7 percent in the two prior years). And 11.4 percent was spent on fundraising (up 9.5 percent in the two prior years).

Nearly 70 % Program Spending
About 21.5 % Management Spending
And 11.4 % Fundraising Spending

= ~ 103%

This totally discounts the entire printed article as you can clearly see (without all the added numbers) the angle taken as the author cannot even equal 100%.

]]> By: Johnb http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1247 Johnb Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:04:25 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1247 Alan, bottom line, knowing what I know now about the top leadership and their income, I would not donate one dime in cash to the BSA. If people want to support them, they need to take the time to support only their local troop. I would suggest with supplies (not cash), that the troop would need. The troops should cut off as much flow of funds to the top as they can. The leadship should be ashamed to take on 11% increase in compensation, while others lost their jobs and programs were cut. Then again, the leadership has lost touch with those working in the organization and have no shame. To the leadership, the scouts are just a money making machine to serve them. Alan, bottom line, knowing what I know now about the top leadership and their income, I would not donate one dime in cash to the BSA.
If people want to support them, they need to take the time to support only their local troop. I would suggest with supplies (not cash), that the troop would need. The troops should cut off as much flow of funds to the top as they can.
The leadship should be ashamed to take on 11% increase in compensation, while others lost their jobs and programs were cut. Then again, the leadership has lost touch with those working in the organization and have no shame. To the leadership, the scouts are just a money making machine to serve them.

]]> By: Johnb http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1246 Johnb Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:49:55 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1246 Alan is that YOUR own blog? Sure appears to be. :) Alan is that YOUR own blog? Sure appears to be. :)

]]> By: Johnb http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1243 Johnb Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:04:41 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1243 Alan you forgot something. That $630 million is also earning interest and dividends. Just figuring 5% interest in one year on $630 million.....that would give them about $31 million a year, just in interestment payments for one year. Next time try balancing the books with PROFIT and loss. :) Alan you forgot something. That $630 million is also earning interest and dividends. Just figuring 5% interest in one year on $630 million…..that would give them about $31 million a year, just in interestment payments for one year.
Next time try balancing the books with PROFIT and loss. :)

]]> By: Johnb http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1241 Johnb Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:58:02 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1241 Alan, you're loosing it, read the article closely: "To cope with this downturn, we reduced our workforce and eliminated 11 staff positions". They are not talking about all of Orange County. You're now sounding like "strongside jedi", LOL Alan, you’re loosing it, read the article closely:
“To cope with this downturn, we reduced our workforce and eliminated 11 staff positions”.
They are not talking about all of Orange County. You’re now sounding like “strongside jedi”, LOL

]]> By: Johnb http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1238 Johnb Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:01:47 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1238 Alan, please, you're smarter then that (I think?) They laid off 11 people...ONLY 11, not 11 x 300. Alan, please, you’re smarter then that (I think?) They laid off 11 people…ONLY 11, not 11 x 300.

]]> By: Alan http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1236 Alan Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:21:29 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1236 You forgot - times 300 Councils throughout United States. Check you math and facts. The recession did not just happen in Orange County... You forgot - times 300 Councils throughout United States. Check you math and facts.

The recession did not just happen in Orange County…

]]> By: Johnb http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1234 Johnb Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:53:32 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1234 Alan "That would cost them $132,000,000 "? Check your math. 11 x $40,000 = $440,000. Alan “That would cost them $132,000,000 “?
Check your math.
11 x $40,000 = $440,000.

]]> By: Alan http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1232 Alan Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:16:47 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1232 Oh I forgot to mention that those interest earnings pay for <b>32%</b> of their programs. So now we have to cut the benefits the kids receive for the next 74 years and beyond just to save jobs for one year. Again we can look at the problem or fix it by supporting the Boy Scouts of America through our own <b>Funding</b>. It is tough to invest in the future leadership of our Country with no personal monetary return on owns money. Oh I forgot to mention that those interest earnings pay for 32% of their programs. So now we have to cut the benefits the kids receive for the next 74 years and beyond just to save jobs for one year.

Again we can look at the problem or fix it by supporting the Boy Scouts of America through our own Funding. It is tough to invest in the future leadership of our Country with no personal monetary return on owns money.

]]> By: Alan http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/260/#comment-1231 Alan Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:10:02 +0000 http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/oc-boy-scouts-wrestle-the-economic-downturn/#comment-1231 So let me see ... if National helped 300 Councils nationwide save 11 jobs from being cut with an average pay of $40,000. That would cost them $132,000,000 in salary and an average of at least another $10,560,000 in employer taxes. Oh you we also have to give them health insurance - almost forgot... add another $37,950,000. We are at least going to have to spend $180,510,000 to save those jobs for only ONE YEAR at the future lose of $81,229,500 over 10 years in interest. Now my question to you ... how much is 261,739,500 divided by 3,531,433 (amount of public support to the Boy Scouts in 2006) = <b>74 years</b> and that does not even include another $667,887,000 in loss interest over those years... Again everyone hurts in a recession and as you have experienced organizations have to make decisions in the best interest of the long term health of the organization. Now let us look at the solution... <b>Funding.</b> So let me see … if National helped 300 Councils nationwide save 11 jobs from being cut with an average pay of $40,000. That would cost them $132,000,000 in salary and an average of at least another $10,560,000 in employer taxes. Oh you we also have to give them health insurance - almost forgot… add another $37,950,000. We are at least going to have to spend $180,510,000 to save those jobs for only ONE YEAR at the future lose of $81,229,500 over 10 years in interest.

Now my question to you … how much is 261,739,500 divided by 3,531,433 (amount of public support to the Boy Scouts in 2006) = 74 years and that does not even include another $667,887,000 in loss interest over those years…

Again everyone hurts in a recession and as you have experienced organizations have to make decisions in the best interest of the long term health of the organization.

Now let us look at the solution… Funding.

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