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	<title>Comments on: OC Scouts leader&#8217;s pay rose while revenue fell</title>
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		<title>By: strongsidejedi</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/dark-and-light-in-oc-boy-scouts-finances/226/#comment-1309</link>
		<dc:creator>strongsidejedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,
You've put up as much info as could possibly be needed by anyone.

BSA is cleaner than the local hospitals are.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,<br />
You&#8217;ve put up as much info as could possibly be needed by anyone.</p>
<p>BSA is cleaner than the local hospitals are.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan is about as stupid as it gets.  Bet he will try to have the last word.  Post your photo Alan, bet you look like LES BARON with a wig and mustache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan is about as stupid as it gets.  Bet he will try to have the last word.  Post your photo Alan, bet you look like LES BARON with a wig and mustache.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/dark-and-light-in-oc-boy-scouts-finances/226/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except for the professional Scouts, none of them are paid.  I would say that some of them are hard working, some have been leaned on, some are the leaners, some just add prestige to the board, some are running for office,  and some are just wearing the uniform.  Many vote the way they are told and don't ask too many questions.

The same goes for the donations.  They donate.  Some more than others, and some because they are leaned on.  Like I said before, you never go in asking for money alone.

I'm not beating up on them, and can't speak for this board.  I've just seen a lot of dead wood and people just wearing the uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except for the professional Scouts, none of them are paid.  I would say that some of them are hard working, some have been leaned on, some are the leaners, some just add prestige to the board, some are running for office,  and some are just wearing the uniform.  Many vote the way they are told and don&#8217;t ask too many questions.</p>
<p>The same goes for the donations.  They donate.  Some more than others, and some because they are leaned on.  Like I said before, you never go in asking for money alone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not beating up on them, and can&#8217;t speak for this board.  I&#8217;ve just seen a lot of dead wood and people just wearing the uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bucky Says:
&lt;b&gt;Being on the board doesn’t make one more committed.

I agree and yet most of them are paid NOTHING and donate millions of dollars to the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bucky Says:<br />
<b>Being on the board doesn’t make one more committed.</p>
<p>I agree and yet most of them are paid NOTHING and donate millions of dollars to the organization.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/dark-and-light-in-oc-boy-scouts-finances/226/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for a belated reply.

Alan:
&#62;
Now would you say, honestly, that these Members are not more concerned about the operations of the Orange County Council of the Boy Scouts of America then any single reader on this site?
&#62;

Being on the board doesn't make one more committed.  The Councils and Districts are often plagued with dead weight that do no more than 'Wear The Uniform' as we call it.  Some get an ego trip, some get a little good resume PR.  Many are on the board because someone more connected and powerful leaned on them.  Choosing the arm twister is just as important as choosing the board member.

Some are die hard Scouts who want what we want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for a belated reply.</p>
<p>Alan:<br />
&gt;<br />
Now would you say, honestly, that these Members are not more concerned about the operations of the Orange County Council of the Boy Scouts of America then any single reader on this site?<br />
&gt;</p>
<p>Being on the board doesn&#8217;t make one more committed.  The Councils and Districts are often plagued with dead weight that do no more than &#8216;Wear The Uniform&#8217; as we call it.  Some get an ego trip, some get a little good resume PR.  Many are on the board because someone more connected and powerful leaned on them.  Choosing the arm twister is just as important as choosing the board member.</p>
<p>Some are die hard Scouts who want what we want.</p>
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		<title>By: KymSue</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/dark-and-light-in-oc-boy-scouts-finances/226/#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>KymSue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan you seem to get a better picture/understanding of the points I'm trying to make.
I am tired of this group vs. that group, this report vs. that report...
The bottom line is that the volunteers that work this program do not have faith in the leadership. 
I do not trust the leadership to manage my contributions, so I choose to make those monitary donations directly to the units where I can see ensure the money is all spent on program, Scouts, and supplies.

I only took over the Pack responsabilities when our previous leadership left. I will step away from the Pack in June 09 and I am working hard to ensure a smooth transition, unlike our painful experience. I think most of the volunteers spread themselves too thin. I have no problem letting go and delegating. The hard part is getting the parents who are reluctant involved. It takes finese, but we're getting there. With the added Scout committments I have to pull away from church functions, PTA, etc. I can't be everything at the same time, nor do I want to. God, Family, Church, School, Scouts.... those are our family's priorities. 

Again, we believe in the program or we wouldn't sacrifice so much to make it successful for our boys. The experience with the boys and seeing their successes and failures is what make it all worth wild. We, the volunteers, just need more from our Council. Stop making things harder for us. Get some programs established to help leaders take over. How about a visit from the "paid" people when volunteers step up and take over leadership? Wow what a concept. I am sure the belief is that the old leadership takes the new leadership in hand and walks them through, but the reality is that they burned out and gone before the new team comes aboard. There are just so many more areas that need improvement to help those peope that sacrifice so much of themselves for free. Maybe if the volunteers were better supported we wouldn't have such a hard time getting other parents involved.

The long and short is that the OCBSA doesn't have the support of the masses or the trust. FOCUS on that, forget the numbers and reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan you seem to get a better picture/understanding of the points I&#8217;m trying to make.<br />
I am tired of this group vs. that group, this report vs. that report&#8230;<br />
The bottom line is that the volunteers that work this program do not have faith in the leadership.<br />
I do not trust the leadership to manage my contributions, so I choose to make those monitary donations directly to the units where I can see ensure the money is all spent on program, Scouts, and supplies.</p>
<p>I only took over the Pack responsabilities when our previous leadership left. I will step away from the Pack in June 09 and I am working hard to ensure a smooth transition, unlike our painful experience. I think most of the volunteers spread themselves too thin. I have no problem letting go and delegating. The hard part is getting the parents who are reluctant involved. It takes finese, but we&#8217;re getting there. With the added Scout committments I have to pull away from church functions, PTA, etc. I can&#8217;t be everything at the same time, nor do I want to. God, Family, Church, School, Scouts&#8230;. those are our family&#8217;s priorities. </p>
<p>Again, we believe in the program or we wouldn&#8217;t sacrifice so much to make it successful for our boys. The experience with the boys and seeing their successes and failures is what make it all worth wild. We, the volunteers, just need more from our Council. Stop making things harder for us. Get some programs established to help leaders take over. How about a visit from the &#8220;paid&#8221; people when volunteers step up and take over leadership? Wow what a concept. I am sure the belief is that the old leadership takes the new leadership in hand and walks them through, but the reality is that they burned out and gone before the new team comes aboard. There are just so many more areas that need improvement to help those peope that sacrifice so much of themselves for free. Maybe if the volunteers were better supported we wouldn&#8217;t have such a hard time getting other parents involved.</p>
<p>The long and short is that the OCBSA doesn&#8217;t have the support of the masses or the trust. FOCUS on that, forget the numbers and reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnb,

Or sometimes, they find that they are not working for a cause at all and that the organization does not even believe in the values behind closed doors that it proclaims on the street corners.  It must be something to see the perks and compensation that the boss has while trying to make an impact on the world.  It must mean something to go out and raise funds to get that boss that raise.

I didn't know it before, but Les Baron does have the stink of a membership scandal on his hands.  I want to read more about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnb,</p>
<p>Or sometimes, they find that they are not working for a cause at all and that the organization does not even believe in the values behind closed doors that it proclaims on the street corners.  It must be something to see the perks and compensation that the boss has while trying to make an impact on the world.  It must mean something to go out and raise funds to get that boss that raise.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know it before, but Les Baron does have the stink of a membership scandal on his hands.  I want to read more about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnb Says:
&lt;b&gt;Are you trying to say there were no funds taken to increase their compenation?&lt;/b&gt;
No.

&lt;b&gt;Where did the money come from or go to for their compensation?&lt;/b&gt;
That is the question that is not answered in the 990s.  I can only assume the majority is health benefits.


Bucky Says:
&lt;b&gt;An executive negotiates a total compensation package.&lt;/b&gt;

No question there.  However, those benefits that are negotiated do have cost increases throughout the years.

johnb,
I will print and read the article on the way home on the train.  Thanks for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnb Says:<br />
<b>Are you trying to say there were no funds taken to increase their compenation?</b><br />
No.</p>
<p><b>Where did the money come from or go to for their compensation?</b><br />
That is the question that is not answered in the 990s.  I can only assume the majority is health benefits.</p>
<p>Bucky Says:<br />
<b>An executive negotiates a total compensation package.</b></p>
<p>No question there.  However, those benefits that are negotiated do have cost increases throughout the years.</p>
<p>johnb,<br />
I will print and read the article on the way home on the train.  Thanks for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, I never said the BSA wasn't transparent, but then by law they have to be. It's not like they do it out of the kindness of their heart. 
 I do question the increase in comenpsation at a time when others were looseing their jobs at the BSA. 
Can you answer my quesions? Where did the money for the 8% increase in compensation come from? Would the money have been better spent saving someone's job or on a program?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, I never said the BSA wasn&#8217;t transparent, but then by law they have to be. It&#8217;s not like they do it out of the kindness of their heart.<br />
 I do question the increase in comenpsation at a time when others were looseing their jobs at the BSA.<br />
Can you answer my quesions? Where did the money for the 8% increase in compensation come from? Would the money have been better spent saving someone&#8217;s job or on a program?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, I did not say it was an increase in wages this time. Are you trying to say there were no funds taken to increase their compenation? Where did the money come from or go to for their compensation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, I did not say it was an increase in wages this time. Are you trying to say there were no funds taken to increase their compenation? Where did the money come from or go to for their compensation?</p>
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