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		<title>By: Strongsidejedi</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-1348</link>
		<dc:creator>Strongsidejedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In comparison to the local hospitals, the BSA looks lean and mean and is a non-profit machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In comparison to the local hospitals, the BSA looks lean and mean and is a non-profit machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strongisjedi's posts are clearly off topic, no matter how much he tries to tie them in.  At first, I thought he was just trying to move us on to a bigger target as some sort of diversionary tactic.  Now, it appears that he wants us to talk about what he wants to talk about.

I vote to delete the off topic posts---including this one.  I also motion to put a frozen yogurt machine in the cafeteria.  All in favor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strongisjedi&#8217;s posts are clearly off topic, no matter how much he tries to tie them in.  At first, I thought he was just trying to move us on to a bigger target as some sort of diversionary tactic.  Now, it appears that he wants us to talk about what he wants to talk about.</p>
<p>I vote to delete the off topic posts&#8212;including this one.  I also motion to put a frozen yogurt machine in the cafeteria.  All in favor?</p>
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		<title>By: strongsidejedi</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-925</link>
		<dc:creator>strongsidejedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this blog is busy pursuing its progressive agenda couched under a now-tarnished, journalistic veil of integrity, let a member of the “internet” estate chastize the “4th” estate for their lack of objectivity and reporting.

I can say this with certainty because of the contracts and agreements being written between the Boys and Girls Clubs and the CHOC executives. Care to publish those contracts?

Is this being counted as a part of the 4.5 million a year in service program revenue for CHOC or for the Boys and Girls Club?

TERI:

When a blog has to be used to do your job, it really brings into question the real motives of the journalists involved. The reader is left to ponder if you have another agenda here?

For this reason, it would be a wise idea to stop the pantomime and start publishing some real facts instead.

There is one big difference between Boy Scouts and Boys and Girls Clubs.

Boy Scouts learn to survive on their own without $4.5 million dollars in tax payer handouts.

Let’s talk about the structure of the BSA versus the Boys and Girls Club clinics which you know so well.

Or should we not?

Is this just about throwing more mud at the BSA and flag while the progressives are throwing another $1 million a month at their favorite charities?

Why don’t you do some homework during your day job and stop pestering volunteer scout leaders?

Why don’t you post the REAL FACTS on the hospitals instead of posting rickrolling pointers to a non-existant story in your “Non-profit” link?

Why don’t you come clean on your own funding for yourself first?

Or, are you immune from the disclosure and transparency because you are a blogger?

No offense, but there is a big difference between BSA’s volunteer programs and the under performance in the local healthcare system which results in the deaths of our fellow citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this blog is busy pursuing its progressive agenda couched under a now-tarnished, journalistic veil of integrity, let a member of the “internet” estate chastize the “4th” estate for their lack of objectivity and reporting.</p>
<p>I can say this with certainty because of the contracts and agreements being written between the Boys and Girls Clubs and the CHOC executives. Care to publish those contracts?</p>
<p>Is this being counted as a part of the 4.5 million a year in service program revenue for CHOC or for the Boys and Girls Club?</p>
<p>TERI:</p>
<p>When a blog has to be used to do your job, it really brings into question the real motives of the journalists involved. The reader is left to ponder if you have another agenda here?</p>
<p>For this reason, it would be a wise idea to stop the pantomime and start publishing some real facts instead.</p>
<p>There is one big difference between Boy Scouts and Boys and Girls Clubs.</p>
<p>Boy Scouts learn to survive on their own without $4.5 million dollars in tax payer handouts.</p>
<p>Let’s talk about the structure of the BSA versus the Boys and Girls Club clinics which you know so well.</p>
<p>Or should we not?</p>
<p>Is this just about throwing more mud at the BSA and flag while the progressives are throwing another $1 million a month at their favorite charities?</p>
<p>Why don’t you do some homework during your day job and stop pestering volunteer scout leaders?</p>
<p>Why don’t you post the REAL FACTS on the hospitals instead of posting rickrolling pointers to a non-existant story in your “Non-profit” link?</p>
<p>Why don’t you come clean on your own funding for yourself first?</p>
<p>Or, are you immune from the disclosure and transparency because you are a blogger?</p>
<p>No offense, but there is a big difference between BSA’s volunteer programs and the under performance in the local healthcare system which results in the deaths of our fellow citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok let us talk about the facts of our local Boy Scouts:

Between 2000 and 2006 Boy Scouts of America has more then doubled their revenue growth.

Between 2003 and 2006 the Boy Scouts sold over $4M in assets.  This includes camp assets in the amount of $1.4M following back to back years in 2002 &#38; 2003 of less then half the normal public contributions. Since then asset sales are under control with less then 200K gain from security sales in 2006.

Les Baron replaced Kent Gibbs as the Scout Executive in 2004 at a savings of $100,000 in compensation in 2004!  Since 2004 under Les Baron management program revenues continue to increase over a $1M annually as Scouts pay their share for program sponsered events - and yes scholarships are available for those who cannot afford the $30-35 weekend fees for camp.  I strongly urge the Community to support fundraising efforts as a portion of the revenue (30% average) remain with the Pack to help their neighborhood based families attend the Scouting programs at a reduced cost.

Under Les Baron management public support nearly doubled since 2003 following back to back years where revenue from public contributions was flat.

Now I personally think Les Baron is worth the same if not more salary then Kent Gibbs was paid for his outstanding efforts to clean up the balance sheet and promote Scouting to the Community.

The fact remains that 2006 was an adjustment year as public contributions went from nearly $12M to $7M due in part to an economic slowdown and discontinue of support for Community Organizations that support leadership in our Youth by the United Way.

If you want to look at the numbers yourself, download them from GuideStar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok let us talk about the facts of our local Boy Scouts:</p>
<p>Between 2000 and 2006 Boy Scouts of America has more then doubled their revenue growth.</p>
<p>Between 2003 and 2006 the Boy Scouts sold over $4M in assets.  This includes camp assets in the amount of $1.4M following back to back years in 2002 &amp; 2003 of less then half the normal public contributions. Since then asset sales are under control with less then 200K gain from security sales in 2006.</p>
<p>Les Baron replaced Kent Gibbs as the Scout Executive in 2004 at a savings of $100,000 in compensation in 2004!  Since 2004 under Les Baron management program revenues continue to increase over a $1M annually as Scouts pay their share for program sponsered events - and yes scholarships are available for those who cannot afford the $30-35 weekend fees for camp.  I strongly urge the Community to support fundraising efforts as a portion of the revenue (30% average) remain with the Pack to help their neighborhood based families attend the Scouting programs at a reduced cost.</p>
<p>Under Les Baron management public support nearly doubled since 2003 following back to back years where revenue from public contributions was flat.</p>
<p>Now I personally think Les Baron is worth the same if not more salary then Kent Gibbs was paid for his outstanding efforts to clean up the balance sheet and promote Scouting to the Community.</p>
<p>The fact remains that 2006 was an adjustment year as public contributions went from nearly $12M to $7M due in part to an economic slowdown and discontinue of support for Community Organizations that support leadership in our Youth by the United Way.</p>
<p>If you want to look at the numbers yourself, download them from GuideStar.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-906</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, but we aren't talking about CHOC, the Mafia, or MIB.  Maybe another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but we aren&#8217;t talking about CHOC, the Mafia, or MIB.  Maybe another day.</p>
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		<title>By: strongsidejedi</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>strongsidejedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I'll wade into this fact filled discussion.

Let's compare the BSA executive salary to the salaries of another "kid" oriented OC organization... Children's Hospital of Orange County.

CHOC is a major advertiser in OC Register and their community papers too.

So, they won't post these things without having a phone call from their PR team.

The top paid executives at CHOC consume $4,369,374 in tax payer funds. The top paid independent contractors consume another $28,180,343 in tax payer funds.


Highest paid executives (consuming $4,369,374.00 in 2005)
(Page 9 of 32 appears to list Kim Cripe and Kerri Ruppert salary as zero. This unusual statement is also reflected in a statement on the Board of Directors. However, if you look at the tax return for Children's Healthcare of California (a related organization), you will find the pertinent information. It appears that Ms. Ruppert chooses to post her salary related to CHOC on the CHC return. It is also interesting that the Children's Healthcare of California return lists that Kim Cripe spends 2 hours per week working on the non-profit.


$1,101,159 - Kim Cripe - Chief Executive Officer - $846,394 in compensation, $215,965 in benefits, and $38,800 in expense accounts

$679,794 - Kerri Ruppert - Chief Financial Officer - $517,989 in compensation, $136,561 in benefits, and $25,244 in expense accounts

$630,424 - Maria Minon - Ex-officio Director - $441,664 in compensation, $168,489 in benefits, $20,271 expense account

$400,223 - Mark Headland - VP &#38; Chief Info Officer - $311,194 in compensation, $79,342 in benefits, $9,687 expense account

$387,372 - Dana Bledsoe - VP Patient Services - $292,566 in compensation, $79,415 in benefits, $15,391 expense account

$384,629 - Margaret Conk - VP Business Development - $277,699 in compensation, $87,209 in benefits, $19,721 expense account

$280,331 - Theresa E. Gianfortune - VP Human Resources - $220,109 in compensation, $70,254 in benefits, $9,968 expense account

$271,990 - David R. Schinderle - VP Finance - $196,870 in compensation, $61,107 in benefits, $14,013 expense account

$233,452 - Steve O'Kane - Ex-officio director - $213,000 in compensation, 0 in benefits, $20,452 in expense account</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I&#8217;ll wade into this fact filled discussion.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s compare the BSA executive salary to the salaries of another &#8220;kid&#8221; oriented OC organization&#8230; Children&#8217;s Hospital of Orange County.</p>
<p>CHOC is a major advertiser in OC Register and their community papers too.</p>
<p>So, they won&#8217;t post these things without having a phone call from their PR team.</p>
<p>The top paid executives at CHOC consume $4,369,374 in tax payer funds. The top paid independent contractors consume another $28,180,343 in tax payer funds.</p>
<p>Highest paid executives (consuming $4,369,374.00 in 2005)<br />
(Page 9 of 32 appears to list Kim Cripe and Kerri Ruppert salary as zero. This unusual statement is also reflected in a statement on the Board of Directors. However, if you look at the tax return for Children&#8217;s Healthcare of California (a related organization), you will find the pertinent information. It appears that Ms. Ruppert chooses to post her salary related to CHOC on the CHC return. It is also interesting that the Children&#8217;s Healthcare of California return lists that Kim Cripe spends 2 hours per week working on the non-profit.</p>
<p>$1,101,159 - Kim Cripe - Chief Executive Officer - $846,394 in compensation, $215,965 in benefits, and $38,800 in expense accounts</p>
<p>$679,794 - Kerri Ruppert - Chief Financial Officer - $517,989 in compensation, $136,561 in benefits, and $25,244 in expense accounts</p>
<p>$630,424 - Maria Minon - Ex-officio Director - $441,664 in compensation, $168,489 in benefits, $20,271 expense account</p>
<p>$400,223 - Mark Headland - VP &amp; Chief Info Officer - $311,194 in compensation, $79,342 in benefits, $9,687 expense account</p>
<p>$387,372 - Dana Bledsoe - VP Patient Services - $292,566 in compensation, $79,415 in benefits, $15,391 expense account</p>
<p>$384,629 - Margaret Conk - VP Business Development - $277,699 in compensation, $87,209 in benefits, $19,721 expense account</p>
<p>$280,331 - Theresa E. Gianfortune - VP Human Resources - $220,109 in compensation, $70,254 in benefits, $9,968 expense account</p>
<p>$271,990 - David R. Schinderle - VP Finance - $196,870 in compensation, $61,107 in benefits, $14,013 expense account</p>
<p>$233,452 - Steve O&#8217;Kane - Ex-officio director - $213,000 in compensation, 0 in benefits, $20,452 in expense account</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On numbers, where do the ROTC programs that only use the BSA for insurance come in?  What about the boys that show up for one meeting, drop, but are counted on the rolls for the rest of the year?  What about the so called "ghost units"?  What about the units started, on paper, with other organizations with the promise of support from the local councils, that never see a boy in uniform?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On numbers, where do the ROTC programs that only use the BSA for insurance come in?  What about the boys that show up for one meeting, drop, but are counted on the rolls for the rest of the year?  What about the so called &#8220;ghost units&#8221;?  What about the units started, on paper, with other organizations with the promise of support from the local councils, that never see a boy in uniform?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeez2m Says:
August 26th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Alan - Whoever you are, get a life

Got to really love those people that tell others to get a life.

Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeez2m Says:<br />
August 26th, 2008 at 6:12 pm<br />
Alan - Whoever you are, get a life</p>
<p>Got to really love those people that tell others to get a life.</p>
<p>Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: jeez2m</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeez2m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan - Whoever you are, get a life, shut up and let others respond.  Your name and talk is all over and dominates the pages, do you have a job or are you really Les Baron trying to protect yourself?  Stop blogging, it is your same sorry blah-blah-barf all over this BSA stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan - Whoever you are, get a life, shut up and let others respond.  Your name and talk is all over and dominates the pages, do you have a job or are you really Les Baron trying to protect yourself?  Stop blogging, it is your same sorry blah-blah-barf all over this BSA stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://taxdollars.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/25/the-half-billion-dollar-boy-scout-stash/224/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So because you do not earn over $40,000 a year you should not help organizations and your Community?  I should be the only one to pay to help others like you?  Trust me I do not mind reasonable amount of support that benefit my Community; however, even $100 can make a difference.

I would like to make a personal challenge.  It is understandable that with limited financial resources the ability to donate is very challenging.  Trust me I have been there through my 9 years of college.  It was not easy only able to give $20 a week to our Family Church at the time and nowhere near $2,000 a year (10% of my income) which would represent my equal contribution.  They took very good care of us regardless and provided countless opportunities.

Even today I face challenges and sometimes I am not able to write a check for $1,000 when it is so desperately needed for my Community.  However, it is not always about financial support.

Next month is the 24th Annual California Coastal Cleanup Day.  Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9 AM to Noon.  Last year nearly a million pounds of trash was collected by over 60,000 people in our Community.  Here is the email for more information coast4u@coastal.ca.gov.  I challenge you to come out and join your fellow neighbors and making a difference physically.

Regarding salary increases...

Here is the raw numbers for the local Scout Executive:
2006 (2005 Return) = 290,531
2007 (2006 Return) = 301,048

Wow a 3.6% increase.  And to argue 8% increase for others in light of a cost of living increase is unnecessary.  Remember everyone has to survive rather they work for non-profit organizations or any other entity.

Let me know which Beach you are going to help out and I will see if I can make arrangements to be there as well.  Maybe we can get some breakfast before hand, my treat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So because you do not earn over $40,000 a year you should not help organizations and your Community?  I should be the only one to pay to help others like you?  Trust me I do not mind reasonable amount of support that benefit my Community; however, even $100 can make a difference.</p>
<p>I would like to make a personal challenge.  It is understandable that with limited financial resources the ability to donate is very challenging.  Trust me I have been there through my 9 years of college.  It was not easy only able to give $20 a week to our Family Church at the time and nowhere near $2,000 a year (10% of my income) which would represent my equal contribution.  They took very good care of us regardless and provided countless opportunities.</p>
<p>Even today I face challenges and sometimes I am not able to write a check for $1,000 when it is so desperately needed for my Community.  However, it is not always about financial support.</p>
<p>Next month is the 24th Annual California Coastal Cleanup Day.  Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9 AM to Noon.  Last year nearly a million pounds of trash was collected by over 60,000 people in our Community.  Here is the email for more information <a href="mailto:coast4u@coastal.ca.gov">coast4u@coastal.ca.gov</a>.  I challenge you to come out and join your fellow neighbors and making a difference physically.</p>
<p>Regarding salary increases&#8230;</p>
<p>Here is the raw numbers for the local Scout Executive:<br />
2006 (2005 Return) = 290,531<br />
2007 (2006 Return) = 301,048</p>
<p>Wow a 3.6% increase.  And to argue 8% increase for others in light of a cost of living increase is unnecessary.  Remember everyone has to survive rather they work for non-profit organizations or any other entity.</p>
<p>Let me know which Beach you are going to help out and I will see if I can make arrangements to be there as well.  Maybe we can get some breakfast before hand, my treat.</p>
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